Jake, you are totally correct. Domino is way behind when it comes to the 'Web 2.0' technology. But I think it is only reasonable to look at the whole situation:
1) Domino has never been about bleeding edge web development out of the box. Folks like you and others make it that. And you can do that because of the flexibility that Domino provides.
2) IBM is playing with Web 2.0 technologies, they just have not hit Domino yet (out of the box, IBM supported). This includes stuff outside of websphere/db2. Look at alphaworks. Look at the stuff coming out of Lotus like dogear. And the solid rumor of QuickPlace 8 using the Dojo toolkit. All of those are signs that someone is doing the right things.
3) Notes 8 is all about the client. IBM is betting the farm on a rich, thick client based on eclipse . That is the focus. Everything else ... Designer, Admin, Server ... they are getting incremental upgrades. That is the IBM direction they decided on in summer of 2005. You can not change the direction of a software effort on the scale of Notes 8 this late in the game.
I really want to see some more stuff out of the box to make web domino development easier. I want the dojo toolkit installed with domino. I want a Names dialog that is ajax enabled out of the box. IBM needs to figure out how to deliver those. If they can add stuff like Nomad and the IBM Blog template in 7.0.2, maybe they can add that to 8.0.1.
I do think the comparison of Domino as a web development platform to stuff outside of companies like Microsoft and Oracle is like comparing apples to oranges. Web 2.0 companies have software in perpetual beta and do not have to worry about customer support like the big companies. One day, they will ... and their pace will slow.
So, yes, I think IBM needs to be taken to task. But we as a community also have to realize the reality of developing software at the scale of something like Notes. If we expect them to turn on a dime, we are just kidding ourselves. I think IBM needs to listen better, and the community needs to talk better (and yes, I know, that grammer sucks).
Jake, you are totally correct. Domino is way behind when it comes to the 'Web 2.0' technology. But I think it is only reasonable to look at the whole situation:
1) Domino has never been about bleeding edge web development out of the box. Folks like you and others make it that. And you can do that because of the flexibility that Domino provides.
2) IBM is playing with Web 2.0 technologies, they just have not hit Domino yet (out of the box, IBM supported). This includes stuff outside of websphere/db2. Look at alphaworks. Look at the stuff coming out of Lotus like dogear. And the solid rumor of QuickPlace 8 using the Dojo toolkit. All of those are signs that someone is doing the right things.
3) Notes 8 is all about the client. IBM is betting the farm on a rich, thick client based on eclipse . That is the focus. Everything else ... Designer, Admin, Server ... they are getting incremental upgrades. That is the IBM direction they decided on in summer of 2005. You can not change the direction of a software effort on the scale of Notes 8 this late in the game.
I really want to see some more stuff out of the box to make web domino development easier. I want the dojo toolkit installed with domino. I want a Names dialog that is ajax enabled out of the box. IBM needs to figure out how to deliver those. If they can add stuff like Nomad and the IBM Blog template in 7.0.2, maybe they can add that to 8.0.1.
I do think the comparison of Domino as a web development platform to stuff outside of companies like Microsoft and Oracle is like comparing apples to oranges. Web 2.0 companies have software in perpetual beta and do not have to worry about customer support like the big companies. One day, they will ... and their pace will slow.
So, yes, I think IBM needs to be taken to task. But we as a community also have to realize the reality of developing software at the scale of something like Notes. If we expect them to turn on a dime, we are just kidding ourselves. I think IBM needs to listen better, and the community needs to talk better (and yes, I know, that grammer sucks).