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MSN Madness

Talking of the laptops, here's what they get used for: about 1% is legitimate business use by me and the rest is use by the girls for their stuff.

What do they use them for? Well, Karen shops and Quinn chats. Karen spends most of her time on the laptop looking at eBay. Whatever it is she's looking at it almost always involves me spending money. I've stopped asking what she's looking at now.Quinn on the other hand spends all of her time on MSN Messenger.

When we moved in to the house and worked on her room I "future proofed" it by installing a network socket. This, I thought, would come in handy at GCSE age when she has her own PC in there and researches her homework on it. Maybe that day will come, but she's already found a much more interesting use of the internet - chatting with friends.

This worries me, but not for the usual reasons. Yeah, it's worrying that a just-turned-11-year-old has open use of MSN. She's a sensible kid though and we lay off on the warnings there. What worries me is the language and the amount of time she likes to spend on there. If left to her own devices she'd be happy it seems to spend her whole 2ix week summer holiday on the laptop. It got to the point during school term where we had to restrict her use. I even investigated which port the chat protocols worked on so I could block them at the router, based on a schedule.

Then there's the language. The fact that there's a lot of swearing goes on doesn't really bother me. We've all been kids. Swearing is part of our language and a way of communicating. As long as she doesn't start telling us to f-off I'm not worried about that. The thing that worries me is the SMS speak. It's a pet hate of mine - all this "Wot u doin" stuff. Quinn rarely allows me to see the screen when she's chatting on MSN. She threatened to "kill me" when I told her I could read the transcripts without her password or that I could "spy" on them. Neither of which I would do of course. She needn't be worried though. I can barely understand what they're saying anyway. It makes me wonder if they can half the time. I've seen Quinn type some code-like message to a friend, which was followed by a pause and the reply "wot".

Now, I'm open-minded to the idea that language evolves. But surely evolution is for the better? An improvement on what was there. SMS speak is not. Sure, maybe tonight would be better spelt tonite, but not tnt. Grammar and spelling are an important part of communication. I don't need to show you how a missing comma can transform a sentence from one meaning to another do I?

SMS speak should stay on mobile phones. I've been known to use a u in place of you from time to time. SMSing is a pain and this makes it easier. In all other forms of communication there's no excuse for it. Especially not in written form. Karen (a teacher) has marked exam papers littered with SMS speak.

Part of it may be the need to impress. I remember a "conversation" I had with Quinn, where she proudly listed all the abbreviations and acronyms she'd learnt. "Bet you don't know what BRB means". "What about LMAO then?". If it's cool to know this then maybe it's even cooler to invent you own. Whereby you shorten any word you can, for no apparent reason.

My battle with Quinn takes the form of me ignoring her whenever she MSNs me (normally from the next room) and it makes no sense. I just reply "wot" until it makes some sort of sense. The sad part is that I know full well she's good at English at her spelling is great. Such a shame.

Aside: Well, what do you know!? I just did a spell check and was literally just about to publish the above when a window pops up from Quinn asking me "wat u doin". Oh, the irony.

[11:34] Quinn: wat u doin
[11:35] Jake: ignoring you
[11:35] Quinn: dunt u mean ignorin u
[11:36] Quinn: lol

I'll give her credit: a) she's got a good sense of humour and b) knows how to wind me up.

Comments

  1. Gah! MSN/SMS speak drives me mad. My sister in law is a straight-a student about to go to medical school yet she insists on "spkn lik she dont no wat da englsh lang is"

    Maybe I'm just getting old?

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    • Jake
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 05:48

    Hmm, Ben. Your company name is maybe guilty of txt-spk, no? Lan-2-Lan = Lan to Lan? LOL

  2. OMG!! ur lyk teh 1337 uber g33k

  3. omg ur rite! Now I have guilt!

    Best have a word with the boss about that one...

  4. A while ago I browsed a couple of blogspot blogs. Much SMS speak there,too, but often with an additional twist: the use of caps and lowercase in inappropriate places. Like:

    dUnt u mEaN iGnoRin u

    Aarrghh..

  5. nuff sed

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    • Josef
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 06:51

    Funny stuff, really, but what about us, the foreigners? We have hardly learned the proper English and now this!

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    • Blop
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 06:59

    ... and what if you're using a screen reader?

    Are they able to translate SMS-speak?

  6. I have MSN installed on my pc too and for as long as I can remember, Jake, you've been one of my contacts.

    I think I've sent you a message on maybe two occasions, but the real reason that you are there, along with many other techies, is that it gives me some comfort to know that having coded all day Im not the only geek who goes home and "works" some more!

    For what its worth I type out every word whether I'm on MSN, AOL or SMSing on my phone (SMSing?)

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    • Mike
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 07:15

    Ah ... The beauty of Blackberrys and Treos - full keyboards. It's just as easy to type the full word instead of pausing and saying to yourself "what is the SMS-speak for ...."

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    • Dave W
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 07:33

    Jake, while you're correct, you've passed the test to become an old f*rt. Welcome to the club :-))

    It wasn't like that in our day!

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    • Mark
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 07:34

    Jake,

    Probably best not look in the MSN received folder then. Hunting for spyware on my 14 year old step sons machine led to some interesting conversations (the mag under the mattress has gone digital).

    The nanny software (Norton Internet Security) didn’t pick it up because he was sent the pics via messenger.

    Not sure how to handle this in the future but I guess it just comes down to trust.

  7. No Jake, I am the old fart. My daughter will be 11 next year and there is no way I will be allowing her on public instant messaging networks. I have told her school that i will gladly set up a Sametime Server and manage it for them if they would like to provide a secure instant messaging network for students to chat with each other that will include transcript logging.

    If you want scary, read the mediocre book I reviewed recently called "Cyber Spying: Tracking Your Family's (Sometimes) Secret Online Lives" (see {Link} ). Talk about Big brother!

    In the end it is all about communication and trust, and signing a contract with your daughter about acceptable use (I have an article on this at {Link} free sample at {Link}

  8. Interesting idea Chris. Maybe IBM could make the secure student server an actual offering?

  9. They do. Schools can get it free under the IBM Scholars program.

  10. Git R Dun!

    That's a great idea Christopher!

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    • Mark
    • Wed 10 Aug 2005 10:12

    Chris,

    Its a good idea in principle but when the kids want to communicate with other friends who don’t go to the same school etc they are going to fall back to the easier 'sexier' solution (which they know isn't monitored).

    MSN Messenger being 1 example - even if you remove the client there is always the web version. I suppose you could block the page but where does it all end.

    What I should have done is lock the machines down from the start. Close down all ports etc - basically run a corporate environment on their machines. Unfortunately I don’t have the Admin skills to do that under XP - maybe there is a market there? Machines which are preconfigured and locked for kids with an easy interface to control access to different areas.

    That must be quite straight forward for a corporate system administrator to configure after all if they can stop those senior managers from meddling they should be able to stop kids ;-)

  11. Well, they didn't used to call me "Draconian Jer" at a past job for nothing. I have two daughters coming up, years from insisting on phone and SMS "rights" (remember when the phone was a privelage, and you used it in the kitchen, not your personal extension in your room?) but my plan is simple.

    - your cell phone will have 10 minutes of air time each month and will be prepaid. Use it to call me in an emergency only, not chat with friends or you lose the -privelage-.

    - MSN/SMS is forbidden. Flat out. If you need to talk to a friend, use the phone in the kitchen where we can keep an ear on you.

    - What internet? Oh, you mean the media server in the basement... do we need to load up some more encyclopedia britanica platters for your school paper??

    It may seem overreaching, but it comes down to the simple belief that a) the internet is no place for children and b) they can get on with their lives perfectly well without it... We all did till our jobs came to depend on it, did we not?

  12. Here's a good site for teens:

    {Link}

    It has some good short movies about "dangers" of what a teenager might say in chatting on the Internet.

    For kids:

    {Link}

    This introduces kids to basic Internet safety. I've given classes, from grades 1-3, and these short videos (real short, like 2 minutes) are always met with laughs. We talk about it after, and the lessons really do stick.

  13. Sometimes SMS-speak comes from the most unlikely quarters...

    We have a marketing manager (hes in his 50's) who constantly sends email written in SMS style short hand...

    Maybe hes lazy or maybe hes got young kinds - either way, it REALLY annoys me!

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    • YoGi
    • Thu 11 Aug 2005 03:47

    w00t!

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    • Axel
    • Thu 11 Aug 2005 04:59

    @Quinn: hav u read it? Wot du u think about this blog entry?

    Makes me think: What would I as a 11 year old have thought if my dad wrote like that about me? Proud. I think.

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    • Eric
    • Thu 11 Aug 2005 05:33

    I agree completed with Jerry above

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    • Mike
    • Thu 11 Aug 2005 09:48

    SMS-speak just seems to be another way for kids to annoy the "previous generation"!!!

    Another example of something dreamt up to let us text faster that has crept into other mediums

    But then, who came up with the spelling "Xmas". I cannot tell you how much I dislike that word and how hard it was for me to type it just then. It takes 0.5 seconds longer to type Christmas.

    Old man on a rant - Mike

  14. Mike, xmas was how the early Christians spelled out their celebration to keep the pagans from knowing what it was.

    "X" is short for "tau". This represented the symbol of the Cross which Christians associate with Jesus.

    "mas" is, of course, short for "mass" - or the gathering of Christians for a celebration/worship.

    Thus, "xmas" represented the "Christ-mass" celebration.

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    • Mike
    • Fri 12 Aug 2005 04:22

    Chris,

    Thanks for that. Very informative

    Stuff I didn;t know, which I am glad I now do

    Your in gratitude

    Mike

  15. Originally, I intended to just drop a short comment on how international this phenomenon is. Which doesn't make it any better, because it makes international understanding even worse.

    Then I noticed, that quite a number of interesting topics have been raised here, and I probably have to think a little more before I come up with something usefull.

    Just one more comment on Chris' explanation: What do you refere to as early (obviously english speaking) Christians? This {Link} comes up with another explanation. To me, the similarity between "christ" and "cross" looks more like coincidence. Or maybe it's just because I dislike the term xmas as well.

  16. @Axel: I reckon you're from our generation rather than the younger generation. Why?

    "hav u read it? Wot du u think about this blog entry?"

    Surely every kid knows this can be compressed much further as follows:

    "av u rd it? wot du u fink abt this blg ntry?"

    :o)

  17. Somewhat ironically, check out this forum entry at one of my websites:

    {Link}

  18. I actually learned (what you call) SMS-Speak from IRC channels, Which existed long before SMS in Mobile phones. Instant Messaging is really only a nicer form of IRC.

    So I think IRC-speak is Ok for IM and SMS but I draw the line there. I would never use IRC-speak in emails or Comments to Blogs. Hear w0t I hv 2 say, I m yy.

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    • Terry
    • Mon 22 Aug 2005 16:35

    Since we bought our 13yr old daughter a laptop a year ago we have noticed a change in her personality, now it's either she is a year older and more secretive or that damn msn has a lot to answer for. Her whole life now revolves around spending hours in her bedroom in between time out with her pals and school we feel lucky when we get the odd grunting noise for food or something else she wants.

    Her bedroom looks like a rubbish tip mainly because she is not off the laptop long enough to tidy it. Matters came to a head when it was taken away by my wife. If you were walking past at the time and didn't know any better you would have though a most horrible murder was being commited as she screamed and tried to pull the machine from her mother's arms. MSN kills the art of conversation and social manners, well it sure has in our house so it's now banned and i'm sure she will survive at least i hope so for all our sakes.

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