CodeStore.net comments on "Edit Button Without JavaScript"

Reply from Hemant Gupta

Hemant Gupta

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i want that suppose i have on form that's name is form1 and another name is

form2 .i have one textbox on form1.then i want to fetch the this text value on form2 in java script

please help me to solve this problem

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Sun, 6 Feb 2005 08:37:00 +0100

Found it at last {Link}

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Fri, 27 May 2005 11:36:00 +0100

Hmm, that kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

Doh!

Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Fri, 27 May 2005 06:25:00 +0100

Arka. GMT-6.

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Fri, 27 May 2005 06:16:00 +0100

Jake. That begs the question: what time zone is your server on? I had assumed that it would be GMT.

P.S. I'm in South East England - but I was educated up North :-)

Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Fri, 27 May 2005 04:07:00 +0100

Arka. What would be out of whack would be if all post had the local time stamp of the poster. You're in Europe somewhere I guess? Say, you post something at 9:01 your time, then somebody replies from Sydney at 20:05, then London at 8:08 and finally Boston at 3:12. Now THAT is out of whack.

As it is all posts get the local time of the server. This way they are in whack. What time it is doesn't really matter. Time is relative.

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Thu, 26 May 2005 15:59:00 +0100

@Jake - Sorry, missed your reply.

What's out of whack is the time for my last 3 posts is about 6 hours earlier than I made them.

In view of Jerry's comment I have searched this site for the thread he was referring to, but no luck so far.

Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Thu, 26 May 2005 15:48:00 +0100

Tony. Glad you like. What JS do you want to eliminate from that script? The only code there is to set the value of the status field depending on which button was pressed - publish or un-publish. Without JS you would need a radio-button to select your action (publish or un-publish) and one button to process the documents.

Reply from Tony Summerville

Tony Summerville — Thu, 26 May 2005 15:23:00 +0100

Jake - good article.

I am also always interested in minimizing javascript and relying solely on HTML + CSS.

Any ideas on eliminating JS from this ->{Link}

I use "POST" forms with multiple "actions" (choices) alot (such as in your "Process multiple docs" article).

Just a thought!

Reply from Andrew Tetlaw

Andrew Tetlaw — Wed, 25 May 2005 20:42:00 +0100

Yeah I thik I agreee with the link v action thoughts you've stated above, Jake.

A 'hyperlink' was designed as a link between 2 hypertext documents, or to put it another way to fetch a hypertext resource (located through the use of a URI) and present it to the user.

Using links for actions goes completely against the grain in this regard.

But I might just be getting old and grumpy :)

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Wed, 25 May 2005 17:51:00 +0100

@Jerry - Thanks, I had a vague recollection this had come up before but I couldn't find the relevant thread. Please enlighten me.

Reply from Jerry Carter

Jerry Carter — Wed, 25 May 2005 14:05:00 +0100

Yep. It's a naturual conclusion / solution to the problem of Domino in that regard. Per the comments on that link, Alex thought of it before I did.

Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:00 +0100

Jerry. Great minds is all.

Reply from Jerry Carter

Jerry Carter — Wed, 25 May 2005 12:26:00 +0100

@Arka - the time stamp question has been discussed before. It was an educational one too - try searching Jakes site for it.

@Jake - Prior art: :-)

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Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Wed, 25 May 2005 12:25:00 +0100

Arka. What side effect on the server? And what's out of whack about the times?

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Wed, 25 May 2005 12:02:00 +0100

P.S. Why are the times on this thread out of whack?

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Wed, 25 May 2005 12:02:00 +0100

Jake. I think the phrase that was often used on that discussion thread was "side-effects on the server". I agree that, typically, this wouldn't be the case with editing a document - but it could be.

The point is that it's up to the developer to determine that and choose the appropriate mechanism for that application context. It should be a conscious decision.

Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Wed, 25 May 2005 10:34:00 +0100

Arka. The use of POST is recommended when the action is destructive or constructive. In this case with the edit button the action is neither. A delete button that used GET and ?DeleteDocument would be a different story!

Reply from Chris Whisonant

Chris Whisonant — Wed, 25 May 2005 09:51:00 +0100

Personally, I do like using text "links" instead of buttons. But end users are used to seeing a button to click for Submit, so I tend to stick with that. For some BB development I've been messing with it's easier to use pass-through HTML for edit/save/etc...

Reply from Esther Strom

Esther Strom — Wed, 25 May 2005 09:51:00 +0100

Another hack... it would keep the visual convention of buttons for actions, although breaking the programmatic convention. Put a link around a button that has no action:

Use CSS to get rid of the underlined text on the button.

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Wed, 25 May 2005 09:47:00 +0100

Jake,

I think you're correct. There is a semantic difference between links and actions and this should be reflected in the elements you use to represent them.

The debate you linked to surrounding Google's Web Accelerator also suggests that actions should be using POST rather than GET (see Mark Rowe's comments at {Link} which quote the relevant RFC).

Reply from Jake Howlett

Jake Howlett — Wed, 25 May 2005 08:56:00 +0100

YoGi. I'm not sure I agree it's a matrer of taste! It should be a matter of convention. I've discussed this in the past - the idea links are *links* and buttons perform "actions". I know you could argue that an action that simply GETs a URL *is* a link, but in the user's mind it's an action. When a user (of any site, not just Domino) wants to submit a form they look for the "submit" button. They don't look for a link. Are you suggesting all buttons become links?

Reply from Yogi

Yogi — Wed, 25 May 2005 08:13:00 +0100

Oops, sorry. i didn't understood the question.

Reply from Arka Nada

Arka Nada — Wed, 25 May 2005 07:46:00 +0100

@Tyron : To interpret YoGi's answer, you cannot do this without JavaScript.

Reply from YoGi

YoGi — Wed, 25 May 2005 06:25:00 +0100

@Jake : Absolutly. Add a beveled border, a background color, center your content and you've got a wonderful button. Anyway, and for my part, I prefer (real) links instead of buttons. A matter of taste i guess.

@Tyron :

Check imageshack, they're doing it in a nice way.